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Topic: is it somaliland or isaaq hatters land? (Read 21817 times)
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dalmar
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Mr. Aware Mire, nothing you say or you attempt to do is going to change the direction that Somaliland has been heading to. In the past, I have encountered people like you, full of denial, trying to downplay what others have accomplished but you couldn’t even dream of elevating yourself to the same level as they have. Having a tremendous dislike towards certain people because of their tribal lineage won’t be the solution for your problem. For your own information, in spite of the economic hardship, and conspiracies that Somaliland has been facing, still by any standard what they have today is the best. Life keeps getting better in Somaliland, democracy which is absolutely unknown in the vast majority Africa, not only does it exits in Somaliland, but also it is fully functional. The people in Somaliland we will not go back to Somalia, and any body from Somaliland who wants to be part of Somalia is more than welcome provided that they cross the border. You could be Isaaq, or Daarood and you are entitled to be part of Somali but you will not hijack the wishes of 97% of Somaliland population. 97% of Somaliland voted to have nothing to do with Somalia, so stop being nostalgic and a day dreamer, instead live with the facts. Like it or not, Sool and Sanaag have been part of Somaliland and will always be part of Somaliland. If some people in that region disagree with Somaliland’s desire to stand to alone, that is perfectly fine. After all, in Somaliland we disagree in order to agree and that is the essence of true democracy.
Peace and love to all Somalis.
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Abdirahman
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let keep it short. Somaliland will never be part of Somali as long as they think that they should be every position of government and try to killed all of us. i think for the past ten years i have not being to Somaliland but we overcome alot of obstables and i so happy that we did it. At last you should know that in 1988 and 1989 when the airplanes were firing at us and we surivive and kick your ass. Somaliland now and somaliland forever... :)
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Abdirahman
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let's keep it short. Somaliland will never be part of Somali as long as they think that they should be every position of government and try to killed all of us. i think for the past ten years i have not being to Somaliland but we overcome alot of obstables and i so happy that we did it. At last you should know that in 1988 and 1989 when the airplanes were firing at us and we surivive and kick your ass. Somaliland now and somaliland forever... :)
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dalmar
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Mr. King_of_heart, please don’t get me wrong, I totally agree with you that almost that entire population of Sool and Eastern Sanaag don’t agree with Somaliland’s separation. However, in 2000 there was a referendum and it was observed by the international community, in that referendum 97% of the voter said good bye to Somalia, so my question is; should we allow small minority to hijack the wishes of the of the majority? I am sure you know the answer, and I am sure you understand the essence of true democracy. When Somaliland got its independence in 1960, 34 countries recognized it within 24 hours. Sool and Eastren Sanaag were part of the recognized country, and as soon as Somaliland gets its recognition, once again Sool and Eastern Sanaag will be part of Somaliland. It won’t be by choice it will be according to the international laws and the unite nation. This means the people in that region don’t have to deal with Somaliland and of course they are entitled to their land and their self-determination but geographically they will part of Somaliland. If they choose to keep Somaliland authority away from their land, that is perfectly fine. Somaliland will be forced to ignore that region and there will be no development at all.
After all, it is the economy that dictates society, so when the rest of the major cities in Somaliland start booming, for sure our fellow Somali Landers in Sool and Eastern Sanaag will have no choice but migrate to wherever opportunity presents. I do understand, almost every country in the world has small region that doesn’t cooperate with the rest of the country, and I am sure for a while Sool and Eastern Sanaag will be in that category. But at the end, knowing the people in that region have everything in common with the rest of Somaliland, they will join the rest of the nation and sooner than you can imagine everything will be forgotten.
I don’t understand why almost all Somalis are united when it comes suppressing the wishes of Somaliland people but when it comes finding a solution for the chaotic situation in the south they all go in different directions. Isn’t ironic that only thing they united is against Somaliland?. The only region that is stable and function face so much hostility. Believe it or not I was never fanatic about the separation of Somaliland but now when see all these hostilities towards Somaliland and I look back what these people went through in the past, I am compelled to defend Somaliland without offending my fellow Somalis and I more determined than ever before to keep Somaliland out of Somalia and its mess at any cost.
Peace and love to all Somalis.
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OCEANS
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this place is really mking me pathatic ..
dalmar ..
we love the counrty, and we always want to show how much we are proud to be slanders , but walaal this is not the place , plz do't waste ur time here expaning it to some silly people ....some here just do't want to listen
Jamaal
I think you are right bro , ppl in sanaag have their freemdom to eaigher chose s/land or somalia, it will to stubid if slanders speak of forcing some parts of sanaag to join them while slanders are proud of applying freedom ....
it is not strange to see some parts of sanaag not joining somaliland, i mean how can we expect ppl there to be slanders where they never saw sth from us !!... what the goverment did for them ??, how can we expect that they will trust us with this weak admistration ??..
somaliland is the only place that holds a honor for somali race ,but some losers are ruling it !,,,
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King_of_Hearts
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Well Brotha Dalmar...geographically am entitled to concur with you...!! am forced to say you are right..!!
Let the world know too that the people of Sool and Sanaag, as members of major Somali clans, have recognized borders. It is a well defined border, with longitude and latitude; it is borders well recognized by Her Majesty, the British Kingdom; it is a border that recognizes where the Isaq sub-clans reside and where the Harti sub-clans are too. It sure needs no reinventing of the wheel again. Let us please, for the sake of peace, don't disturb those borders and the peace again.
Again, let anyone with doubts recognize that the people of Sool and Sanaag share all and everything with their brothers in Puntland. For the record, for future generation and for the peace loving people of Hargeysa, please note that Puntland is not for sale, was never for sale, will never be for sale. Sool and Sanaag were always part of Puntland and will forever remain in Puntland.
And finally, for the record, if the peace loving people of Hargeysa, Burco and Berbera, really want to secede from the rest of Somalia, please say so, and say it peacefully; say it in the ballot boxes; and please do it in your homes and territories, but not in our homes of Sool and Sanaag.
16 December 2002
From the Somali Regions of Sool and Sanaag, Laascaanood, Sool
Brotha as the above notes explicitly avow that Sool and Sanaag are better be left unaccompanied to do what they desire...not to be admistrated or presided over Dalmar!
It is the first time in recent memory of northern Somalia and of the Somali people, in general, that a northern Somali sub-clan has claimed the territorial integrity of another Somali sub-clan as their own.It is a claim that is nevertheless advocated by western based Somali intellectuals belonging to that certain Somali sub-clan. Intellectuals that are never seen nor heard in certain parts of northern Somalia...!
and for a fact i don't deem that there will be elections in the disputed regions of Sool and Sanaag when Somaliland is holding it's Polls..!!The people of these regions have decided that their destiny is with Puntland and not with Somaliland and any attempt to bring election materials to Sool and Sanaag would be regarded as "a hostile act against Puntland"
I don’t understand why almost all Somalis are united when it comes suppressing the wishes of Somaliland people but when it comes finding a solution for the chaotic situation in the south they all go in different directions. Isn’t ironic that only thing they united is against Somaliland?.[/i]
wrong brotha...i a non-Somalilander, visited Hargeisa and burco and i have to say Maasha-Allah..the constituencies are systematic and booming..!!
and when you say everyone is standing united against Somaliland i think thats just an erroneous belief brotha...!
it's just startling how you generalize brotha Dalmar..i've had friends for years without even being cognisant where they were from...untill one day they decided to go back home and i asked where abouts they were visiting...Somaliland.
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dalmar
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King_of_Heart wrote “It is the first time in recent memory of northern Somalia and of the Somali people, in general, that a northern Somali sub-clan has claimed the territorial integrity of another Somali sub-clan as their own.”
That is absurd and a baseless accusation. Just to remind you, one of the reasons why Somaliland is the most peaceful region in former Somalia is simply, the willingness of the dominant tribe to get along and respect the smaller tribes, where on the other hand in the south the dominant tribe want to denominate everything and as the result they couldn’t even get along among themselves after they victimized everybody else. Northern tribes respect each other and they have strong code of trust that can’t be broken. For instance, in the City of Erigabo, many tribes live together peacefully. Sometimes when trouble arises, wise men do their job and mediated their children. Ooh by the way, no need to exaggerate, for the record, it is not Sanaag it is Eastern Sanaag and parts of Sool because much of Sanaag is under the control of Somaliland, also small parts of Sool such as the town of Caynabo is under the control of Somaliland authority. I am bit disappointed that most of people in Sool and Eastern Sanaag claim that they want to be part of Puntiland because they are the same tribe as the Puntiland people called Harti. Let me ask you a simple question. As an educated brother don’t you think it is a shame to disassociate with certain people because of their tribe?
You never hear the people in that region claiming that they don’t want to associate with Somaliland because certain tribes in Somalinland caused them a major grieve and murdered their families. Instead the only outstanding excuse is they are better off with Puntiland because they are the same tribe. And I think that is very weak excuse but that is just my opinion.
Peace and love.
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dalmar
hi bro is ngood to see you again
king of heart
why you are claiming sanaag and sool are you saying that ceerigaabo ceel afway caynabo and many cities belong to harti as you mention.
laasqoray and laas caanood can join somalia but not the rest as they belong to isaaq and the vote happen even in buulhoodle.
so i accept those 2 villigies.
qudhac maygaag 
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US Marine
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It is really Disgusting our people are still fighting over tribe.I am a somali Kenyan(Sijuu).it really hurts when i see our somali brothens still fight the samething over 12 yrs.This is the 21st Century,The world left the Dark Continent behind because we have people like you who are or some worse than you in the whole continent.
i am not mentioning names,but what i read was really disgusting.
The so called Somali leaders were holding conference in Kenys for the last couple months.I don't think there is any hope for them to unit.here are the citizens of that same country post this kind of Articles in world wide web.When will this come to an end?
it should be a problem weather somaliland want to be self independent country or not.let us see a somali gorverment first and from there worry about somaliland.
why do you want somaliland to be part of somalia while there is no somalia?
infact i have never being being to somalia nor somaliland,and i am not Issaq,but i agree with them for now if they chose to have law and order in their country.
let us just have interllectual discussion.you shouldn't be talking about tribes anymore.hundreds thousands of somalis lost their life because of that.please refrain saying that word.
TO BE CONTINUED
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dalmar
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Mr. King_of _heart, I understand your point, however once Somaliland gets its independence it is no longer up to us to choose where the population of Sool and Eastern Sanaage want to be part of. The former border of Somaliland will be respected, having a tight grip on Sool and Eastern Sanaag will be unnecessary because there are not vital place for the existence of Somaliland. In other words, there no ports in the region, such as port Berbara or the rich farming land in Togwajaale and Awdal. The population will do what they want; unfortunately geographically they will be part of Somaliland. Trust me, once Somaliland is recognized, Muqdisho and even Abdilaahi Yusuf (The assassin of Puntiland) will abandon Sool and Eastren Sanaag. The reason 1) They have to respect the international borders 2) The region is dry as hell, no Juba or Shabeele River, no ports, population is very small and scattered, and moreover, those regions are not strategic either.
As you know many people didn’t want Somaliland to separate, imagine if we have listened to these small groups and met their demands, Somaliland wouldn’t have been a nation that it is today. I understand there are a lot of emotion involved when it comes to dealing with Sool and Eastern Sanaag but we have to keep pressing on and put emotions aside. In my opinion the population in those regions should look after their best interest and should cooperate with the rest of Somaliland. There will be no force applied but they will be left in the dust if they choose no to be part of civilization. We are the same people but we have different interests and at the same time we share a nation, so what is the solution? The majority rules, simple as that and I am not imposing my will on them but that is democracy.
Peace and love to all fellow Somalis.
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? Maasha-Allah ilaahow cilmiga u siyaadi qoftan jaha wareersan..!! 