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Message for Xlarge
« on: April 04, 2002, 06:09:41 PM »

Saxib
I tried to E-Mail you. But your E-Mail address in your registration doesn't work. Drop me a line sometime.

My old boss sent me this. I think you should read it. There's also a book that gives some detail into my units role in Somalia. It's called Falcon Brigade by Lawrence Casper. You'll find me there.

Mac - you have to go see this movie.

This is a good read.  Go see the movie.  It is excellent.  Soldiers at their finest.  The book is even better.  

Honorable soldiers, eternal brothers

The story behind `We were soldiers ...'
Joseph L. Galloway

Joseph L. Galloway is a veteran UPI foreign correspondent and worked for
U.S. News and World Report. He lives in Falls  Church, Va

March 10, 2002

If you have fed from a steady diet of Hollywood movies about Vietnam you
probably believe that everyone who wore a uniform in America's long, sad
involvement in war in Vietnam is some sort of a clone of Lt. William
Calley--or that all 3 million of them were drug-crazed killers and rapists
who rampaged across the pastoral landscape. Those movies got it wrong. "We
Were Soldiers" gets it right--ask any Vietnam  veteran who has gone to see
the movie.

 It is based on a book I wrote with a lifelong friend, retired Lt. Gen. Hal
Moore. It is a book written precisely because we believed that a false
impression of those soldiers had taken root in the country that sent them to
war and, in the end, turned its back on both the war and the warriors.

I did four tours in Vietnam as a war correspondent for United Press
International--1965-66, 1971, 1973 and 1975. In the first three of those
tours I spent most of my time in the field with the troops, and I came to
know and respect them and even love them, though most folks might find the
words "war" and "love" in the same sentence unsettling, if not odd.

In fact, I am far more comfortable in the company of those once-young
soldiers today than with any other group except my own family. They are my
comrades-in-arms, the best friends of my life, and if ever I were to
shout  "help!" they would stampede to my aid in a heartbeat.

They come from all walks of life; they are black, white, Hispanic, Native
American, Asian; they are fiercely loyal, dead honest, entirely generous of
their time and money. They are my brothers, and they did none of the
things Oliver Stone or Francis Ford Coppola would have you believe all of
them did.

On the worst day of my life, in the middle of the worst battle of the
Vietnam War, in a place called Landing Zone X-Ray in the Ia Drang Valley of
Vietnam, I was walking around snapping photographs when I caught a
movement  out of the corner of my eye. It was a lanky GI who had jumped out
of a  mortar pit and was running, zig-zagging under fire, toward me. He
dived  under the little bush I was crouched behind.

"Joe! Joe Galloway! Don't you know me, man? It's Vince Cantu from Refugio,
Texas!"

Reunion under fire--Vince Cantu and I had graduated together from Refugio
High School, Class of  '59, 55 boys and girls. We embraced warmly.

He shouted over the din of gunfire. "Joe, you got to get down and stay down!
It's dangerous out here. Men are dying all around."

Vince told me that he had only 10 days left on his tour of duty as a
draftee  soldier in the 1st Battalion 7th U.S. Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division
(Airmobile).  "If I live through this I will be home in Refugio for
Christmas," he said.

I asked Vince to please visit my mom and dad, but not tell them too much
about where we had met and under what circumstances. I still have an old
photograph from that Christmas visit--Vince wearing one of those black satin
Vietnam jackets, with his daughter on his knee, sitting with my mom and dad
in their living room.  Vince Cantu and I are still best friends.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2002, 06:11:22 PM »

(I had to break it into three parts due to legth)

When I walked out and got on a Huey helicopter leaving Landing Zone X-Ray,
I  left knowing that 80 young Americans had laid down their lives so that I
and  others might survive. Another 124 had been terribly wounded and were on
their way to hospitals in Japan or the United States.  I left with a sense
of my place among them and an obligation to tell their  stories to any who
would listen. I knew that I had been among men of
honor  and decency and courage, and anyone who believes otherwise needs to
look in  his own heart and weigh himself.

Hal Moore and I began our research for the book, "We Were Soldiers Once . .
and Young," in 1982. It was a 10-year journey to find and ultimately to
bring back together as many of those who fought in LZ X-Ray and LZ
Albany,  a  battle one day after ours only 3 miles away in which 155 young
Americans  died and another 130 were wounded.

We had good addresses for perhaps no more than a dozen veterans, but we
mailed out questionnaires. Late one night a week later my phone rang at home
in Los Angeles. On the  other end was Sgt. George Nye, retired and living
very quietly by choice in  his home state of Maine.

George began talking, and it was almost stream of consciousness. He had
held  it inside him for so long and now someone wanted to know about it. He
described taking his small team of engineer demolitions men into X-Ray to
blow down some trees and clear a safer landing zone for the helicopters.
Then he was talking about Pfc. Jimmy D. Nakayama, one of those engineer
soldiers, and how a misplaced napalm strike engulfed Nakayama in roaring
flames. How he ran into the fire and screamed at another man to grab Jimmy's
feet and help carry him to the aid station. My blood ran cold, and the hair
stood up on the back of my neck. I had been that man on the other end of
Nakayama. I had grabbed his ankles and felt the boots crumble, the skin
peel, and those slick bones in my hands.  Again I heard Nakayama's screams.
By then we were both weeping. I knew  Nakayama had died a day or two later
in an Army hospital.

Nye told me that Jimmy's wife had given birth to a baby girl the day he
died--and that when Nye returned to base camp at An Khe he found a letter
on  his desk. He had encouraged Nakayama to apply for a slot at officer
candidate school. The letter approved that application and contained orders
for Nakayama to return immediately to Ft. Benning, Ga., to enter that
course.

George Nye is gone now. But I want you to know what he did with the last
months of his life. He lived in Bangor, Maine.  The year was 1991 and, in
the fall, plane after plane loaded with American  soldiers heading home from
the Persian Gulf war stopped there to refuel.

It  was their first sight of home. Nye and some other volunteers organized a
welcome at that desolate airport. They provided coffee, snacks and the warm
"Welcome home, soldier" that no one ever offered George and the millions of
other Vietnam veterans.  George had gone out to the airport to decorate a
Christmas tree for those  soldiers on the day he died.  

Shakespeare understood--When we think of ourselves we think Shakespeare,
Henry V, Act IV, Scene 3:

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
  For he today that sheds his blood with me
  Shall be my brother."

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2002, 06:11:59 PM »

Honor and decency and uncommon courage were common among these soldiers and
all the soldiers who served in Vietnam. I think of how they were, on patrol,
moving through jungle or rice paddies.  Nervous, on edge, trying to watch
right, left, ahead, behind, all at once. A  friend once described it as
something like looking at a tree full of owls. They were alert for sign,
sound or smell of the enemy.  They also watched each other closely. At the
first sign of the oppressive heat or exhaustion getting to someone, the two
or three guys around would relieve him of some or all of the heavy burden
that the infantryman bears:  60 or 70 pounds of stuff. Rifle and magazines.
A claymore mine or two. A couple of radio batteries. Cans of C-rations.
Spare socks. Maybe a book. All that rides in the soldier's pack. His
brothers could make it easier for him to keep going. They took care of each
other, because in this situation each other was all they had.

When I would pitch up to spend a day or two or three with such an outfit I
was, at first, an object of some curiosity. Sooner or later a break would be
called and everyone would flop down in the shade, drink some water, break
out a C-ration or a cigarette. The GI next to me would ask, "What you doing
out here?" I would explain that I was a reporter. "You mean you are a
civilian? You don't have to be here?"  Yes, I am, and no, I don't.

"Man, they must pay you loads of money to do this."  I would explain that,
no, unfortunately I worked for UPI, the cheapest news  agency in the world.
"Then you are just plain crazy, man."

Once I was pigeonholed, all was all right. The grunts understood "crazy"
like no one else I ever met. The welcome was warm, friendly and open. I was
probably the only civilian they would ever see in the field; I was a sign
that someone, anyone, outside the Big Green Machine cared how they lived and
how they died.  It didn't take very long before I truly did come to care. In
my view, they  were the best of their entire generation. When their number
came up in the draft they didn't run and hide in Canada. They didn't turn up
for their  physical wearing pantyhose or full of this chemical or that drug
which they hoped would fail them.  Like their fathers before them they
raised their right hand and took the oath to protect and defend the U.S.
Constitution.  

They did their job  It is not their fault that the war they were sent to
fight was not one that  the political leadership in Washington had any
intention of winning. It is not their fault that 58,200 of them died, their
lives squandered because  Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon could
not figure out some  decent way to cut our losses and leave the Vietnamese
to sort the matter out among themselves.  

First the book and now the movie have come to pass, and I am often asked:
Doesn't this close the loop for you? Doesn't this mean you can rest
easier?  The answer is no, I can't.  To my dying day I will remember and
honor those who died, some in my arms. I will remember and honor those who
lived and came home carrying memories and scars that only their brothers can
share and understand.

They were the best you had, America, and you turned your back on them.

Copyright © 2002, Chicago Tribune
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2002, 07:16:23 PM »

This book would make me physically sick, this guy obviously has selective memory, and decided to remember only the good guys, I'm not saying all American soldiers are barbaric morons but what happened in Vietnam was just ridiculous, but then you going to tell me it was war and when in war one can relinquish humanity, I wonder why people say Germans were evil if that is the case.

American public just wanted to forget what was done to more than 1 million people on their behave and where ashamed of how their soldiers behaved, that is why no one wanted to know what happened to these so called Vietnam veterans.

One of the best good Vietnam war movies that I saw was Full Metal Jacket which attempted to show what American soldiers or at least some of them were doing to the locals.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2002, 08:37:56 PM »

Fell Metal Jacket Sucked!! Just like Platoon. Exagerated crap.

You want to see a good movie on the Vietnam War see Go Tell the Spartans. Of course, no one watches it because it's not a glory film.

What Galloway is saying is that most of these troops werre good men. You need to read the book, which is factual accounting from a reporter who was in the trenches, not some politicized nonsense.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2002, 08:40:03 PM »

One more thing. Why do you think that Vietnamese people like Americans? When Americans who fought there go to Vietnam, why do you think Vietnamese treat them so well? When I met Vietnamese in Thailand, none of them even brought up the war. Why do you think Vietnam offered us Cameron Bay back when we left Subic bay?
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2002, 12:48:58 AM »

Because they are good natured people that believe life should be respected regardless, and they forgave the people that killed 1 million of their comrades, hoping they learned from their murders ways.  Cry Cry

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2002, 05:42:06 PM »

Why do you think there are so many Vietnamese in the US Army today?
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2002, 01:14:05 AM »

A couple of weeks ago there were pro and anti American demonstrators at different periods outside the US embassy in Manilla. The Pro-American demonstrators numbered over 2,000. some of them sang the U.S. National Anthem and a group burned an effigy of Usma Bin Laden (which I think is hillarious - I've been thinking of getting some Iranian, Islamic and Iraqi flags, effigies of Bin Laden and Khamanei, having my own protest and burning those things too. Want to come?). Interesting that so many Phillipinos seem to like those nasty imperialists - the Americans.

Another interesting note: At the tail end of WW II the Japanese had a POW camp in the Phillipines where they held soldiers who had surrendered on the Bataan Peninsula. The Japanese intended on executing these prisoners before the Americans could liberate them. The Phillipinos provided indispensable help to the Americans. In fact, had it not been for Phillipino irregulars, the rescue effort would never have succeeded. Why do you think that the Phillipinos risked their lives for these tattered POWs? I mean, we were going to win the war on the Island regardless. And they knew it. One of the more regretable acts of the US government in the immediate post-war era is that Phillipino soldiers who served in the US Army in a number of capacities were not granted full US citizenship - something we corrected way too late in our history. Why do you think so many Phillipinos have remained so loyal to Americans for so long? They certainly have reasons to *****. What do you think it is?
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2002, 02:26:24 AM »

May be those misguided souls think they can change this organisation from within, some of them don't have any other way out of poverty and this is their only choice, because they are poor and can not afford universities/colleges etc, I  can probably give you thousand reasons but I suppose that should do it
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2002, 04:59:47 PM »

OK let me see if I've got this straight. People who suport America are misguided souls. But people who hijack airliners and fly theminto public buildings have seen the light. Got it.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2002, 05:42:34 PM »

You asked specific question about a specific group of people, and I gave you an answer regarding that group, so therefore this answer doesn't apply to everyone and every group, please try not confuse the issue. Any group regardless of how evil they might be will always have people that sympathize with them and support them, even the Nazis had support from within the nations that were fighting against, so what does that say to you?
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