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Topic: Mohamed abdulle hassan, was he a somali hero? (Read 8359 times)
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baruud
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A-hakeem,
Why don't u go rescue your d*****d cousins getting the abu graib treatment in Somaliland jails as we speak? That is if u r such a tough guy.
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hassen
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Baaro Baruud!!
You thing abu grieb thing is funny you low life Qaat chewin IIdooro.
LISTEN kid it takes you a whole new level to just to get near us.Your kinda of people will always nags like a *****,see we have nothin in common,We fought against the almost all the somali tribes but still we don't nag ,and that shows you where we stand.
It is funny when your leaders the puppets of Ethiopia were happy bragging about how there are the friends of xabash while they the Ethiopians couldn't careless.While you trying to arrest the an armed civilians who shelter city and handed them the xabesh,saying they are O N L F just to get some caanoboodho in return,and don't you know the o n l f are fightin some of your iidooro who reside in ogaden.We diferent we would rather kill you than hand you over to an enemy .
IIdooro take a look at yourselve and ask why the bravehaerts are sooo diferent to yous.May be you would understand where am commin from.But i promise you this you won't find by naggin,it takes a man to admit his fault and that won't make a lesser man.
Last but not the least ,i hail to our hero the sayid cabdulle xassan
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So So So
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All you Pathetic losers, get a life. As I mentioned in earlier messages you folks make me sick.
Some may wonder why I ever bother to read these pages, well...simply let me be honest. I am bored and I read these pages only when I am bored. Hey, just been honest.
Anyways, its sad really that some of you are filled with so much for follow somalians. My god, whatever happened happened. Its history, get over it. I personally don't give a "buck" whether you are daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, but lets face it we are all somalis. Why not focus your energy of the things we have in common, religious, culture and shared destiny.
Anyways, I assume these words are not what you folks want to hear. You would rather take cheap shots against each other and call each names. Thats sad and low and honestly, its shameful.
i am so glad I had a wonderful grandparents, rest in peace, who taught me the value of respect and the true patriotism. They taught me to love everyone and most importantly, they taught me to never disrect a follow somali b/c of their tribal affiliation. I am only 18 and look forward to the day I can go back to home and help my follow countrymen in anyways I can. God Willing.
I wish you people would wake up some day and spend your energy in united our people. I hope you will raise you kids to love follow somalis and, allah willing, to respect and live together better than their we are now.
Peace,
Abdi
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Dalmar
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A_hakeem “I knew you guys dalmar and baruud are on the somali downlow......hehehe, you ain't the first I heard of girls, but definately first on a Somali public site.”
To my understanding if God created everybody as an intelligent person, then this world would have been a boring place. Having said that, A_hakeem if silly goats like you were not around and not spewing out an utter nonsense, then of course we would have never known what is meant by intellectual people. Look at the bright side boy; at least you can be used as a complete reference guide for the ultimate stupidity.
According to you, you had good life in Muqdisho, yet you hate the people of Muqdisho and everybody else. Well at least if you ever go back home you will be living in the harsh desert where your village is located. You won’t be driving 4X4 that don’t belong to you and disrespecting the citizens of Muqdisho. You won’t be going away on the weekends to the big farms along Shabeele River that you have taken away from its righteous owners.
Also, I know you are mom’s boy, and you were one of the people who fled the country right at the beginning of the war. Cowards like you left a total mess what used to be one of the most beautiful cities in Africa. Now, you live in exile, and I know you missed those good old days when you used spit on the faces of the poor Somali people. I am sure your hate is going to wear you out and you are going to die in exile.
Dalmar
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xiis
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Dalmar,
Inadeer iska daa xayawaaniintan ha isku wasakheyn ee aniga igu daa anaa dhoobada la galgalani ee adiga dadka sharafta leh la hadal ee doorada xiis muruq ku daa 
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goku
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fucjk u gay basterd suck your dads ***** if he has one i bet it tiny mine is like a 9 meter hose 
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ja rule
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******* u all u gay basters u can suck my *****
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Zeed
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It's really sad when we Somalis try to insult each other just because some might think that their tribe/clan is better than other tribes. It's also very sad to be talking about all this kind of bullshit when '' We Somalis are crying about Unity'' How can we possibly be united when we are pointing guns at each other, The only way we can go forward is to settle our difference and discuss like brothers and sister. We share the same Religion, land, history, and culture.
Some people are racists, all that is in their blood and mind is about "QABIL" Somalia has been lawless for the last ten years; a lot of people agree that Qabil is to blame for all this ongoing injustice against the civilians. Qabil is like a disease. A lot of us claim that we are civilized, how can we claim we are civilized when we can not respect someone's opinion? How can we share our ideas when someone doesn’t know how to express him/herself without insulting others or even changing the main topic into some kind of tribal warfare?
I am sure that the topic we are discussing is whether Siyad Mohamed Abdile Hassan was a hero! Its really hard question to answer when its comes to this word HERO
Before someone tries to discuss about the topic we need to ask ourselves few question
Who is a hero? How can we identify true heroes? I believe that it is both in our interests that we share our opinions without insulting each other. For those who base all their reasoning on Qabil'' I believe that Qabils have no answers for everything in that is going around in this world!
Now since we have raised the question to discuss, our main objective is to determine if Sayid was a hero. But the problem is how to identify a ''Hero"'  . There are many ways to determine who is HERO or how he/she comes to be a HERO. Some people claim that hero's are born and not made. However when we look closely about this theory( born not made) another question comes to our mind '' how do we know who is born hero and not made!!"" 
Heroes in the ancient societies was something common, most people agreed that heroes were '' extraordinary'' and performed astonishing deeds far beyond the capabilities of average person. It is claimed that these people possessed super human characteristics and extraordinary intelligence.
A lot of people have different kind of explanation when you ask them '' who is a hero''. Some say that the people who are considered as real hero's others would label them as the Bad Guys, as the say '' one man freedom fighter is another man's terrorist''. Some may claim that heroes are those who put their live hoods on the line to try and make the world a better place. Some may also suggest that the true hero's are our parents because they raise feed, dress, put shelter on our heads, protect and gives us discipline. Some people may also say that a hero is a parent of handicapped, single parents and those who step up to help without being asked.
The same question can still have different answer according to other people, for instance if u ask someone'' who is a hero''? Some may say that herois someone who has done a great thing for his country, i.e. footballers, athlete, actor, singers and comedian. Some may consider someone like Hassan Adan Samatar or Aaw Kuku as therir hero.
When we are discussing about this topic we should discuss few question before we consider someone a Hero.
Can heroes be really heroes if only certain group of the community call them Heroes?
Who decides who is a hero and who is an outlaw?
Can people who are admired in one aspect of their lives but contemptible or immoral in other areas still be called heroes?
Is it fair to call someone a hero if we have to pick and choose amongst his/her actions?
Since we have establish this sort of question in our minds we can use them as "Acid test" or indictor to see if Sayid abdile hassan was A HERO''
Hajj Sayid abdile hassan was a true patriotic man who fought against the British rule in Somalia, a lot of us consider him as a freedom fighter. During the colonial era he emerged as a '' Champion'' of the country's political and religious freedom of the Somali nation, defending it against all the Christian invaders. A lot of us admire him for his courage to defend our country. Some people might use this as an indicator to justify that he was a hero. However some people might claim that he was not a hero because he was just looking for a power, as Dalmar quoted one of his poems ; “MAR HADAAN WAAYAY CALAN LAY NASHIRO TAN IYO NAIROBI, MIYAAN WAAYAY NAAMUS JANO IYO NEBIGA JAAHIISA”
Some may claim that Sayid was very cruel man. Mostly people obeyed him out of fear, any person or tribe who did not agree to submit to him would be labeled Kufar's and he would order his soldiers to kill them, their children, women and their property snatched. We can use this claim as an indictor in order to consider him a HERO. Can we ignore all the cruelty that he has done to people? Does he really deserve to be a hero?. What about the villages and town that he burned and the murder of innocent Somalis ? so it is at this point that the question that I wrote earlier would take their position tightly to deny Sayid this kind of status ! 
Can heroes be really heroes if certain group of the community calls them heroes?
Can people who are admired in one aspect of their lives contemptible or immoral in other areas still called heroes?
Is it fair to call someone a hero if we have to pick and choose amongst his/her actions?
I think that a hero is someone that is willing to protect others and ready to risk their lives to save others. So putting that in mind I don’t consider Sayid as hero because he protected some but killed those who turned against him.. I consider heroes those who fight for the rights others who are treated unfairly. A hero is someone who has a vision for the greater well being of human being, did Sayid have that kind of vision? And if yes, what about those people who were murdered by his militia.
I believe that there are a lot of heroes out there, however, people have different kind of reasoning when its comes to HERO. Most of the people I have in mind that are true heroes will never have their names known, and less likely it will be in a positive light. 
To there is only one ''Hero'' Elman Ahmed Ali is a' true Hero''.
He worked for peace, development and human rights in Somalia. He established a technical training institute to rehabilitate young militia fighters with skills to turn peaceful live hoods.
He was known for giving humanitarian assistance to orphans and street children and contributing to reviving community facilities such as water, roads and electricity. He also set up football team (Elman FC); this helped to bring people from all clans and faction in divided city to come together peacefully. Elman did not belong to any political faction and had been outspoken in criticizing all the political leaders for continuing violence. Unfortunately Elman was shot by gunmen in 1996. I consider him as a ''TRUE HERO ''because he was very brave man and he also put his life on the line just to make Somalia a better place.
Two days ago when I asked my best friend about his HERO, he replied'' my hero is the prophet Mohamed ( salalahu cayleyhim wasalim) I was really surprised to hear this kind of reply, but at the end I realized that my friend right, because I never thought of that kind of reply when I was trying to work out this topic, however, as a Muslim I believe that the prophet is our true hero. All his actions in the hadith are clear evidence and indication that he is our first hero , no one can deny that fact, So before we call any human being a hero lets consider our prophets as A TRUE HEROES.
We all have different opinions, but we have to respect each other coz I think there are no kids around here. Its possible that this guys who are dissing pple here are ciyal , all I have to say to them is " they are in the wrong discussion'' coz this is meant for grown ups. I'm not trying to generalize all the kids coz there are '' Smart kids". If it happens to be the ""Big Boys'' who are behind this bullshit then they have mental problem and they need to go for check up.  
Im sorry to make this argument long and complicated but I hope we learn from each other, we learn from our mistakes and make a good debate without differentiating ourselves as Isaqs, Hawiye, Darood etc
 
Mr ZEED ,
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baruud
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Death to all ******=Peace
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haasen
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iidooroos+qaldaan=wrong bath to eternity
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a-hakeem
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baruud.....hehehe,dude get a (Fkng) prozac to calm the (Fkng) YOUR SELF.
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