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Been-Ma-Sheege
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Is Somaliland Destined To Fail:
My personal opinion:
Only Allah knows what is destined to fail and what is destined to succeed.
If we look at things as they are today however then we can safely say that the country of Somalia has already failed whereas the country of Somaliland has succeeded, I don't think anybody would deny that.
However it must be noted that the Republic of Somaliland does not exist in a vaacum, the events that happen in the countries that border Somaliland to a degree do effect Somaliland. Therefore one can only assume that if Somalia continues to be a dangerous country where warfare, hunger and disease is the norm then some of the problems that arise from those conditions will indeed effect Somaliland no matter how peaceful, democratic and progressive Somaliland is.
Doest this mean that The Republic of Somaliland is destined to fail if Somalia continues to be a failure? No, that is not what it means. Somaliland can protect itself from having spill over from the chaos of Somalia coming into Somaliland, the little spill over that does enter into Somaliland from Somalia will hit eastern Sanaag and southern Sool the hardest, already we are seeing the negative effects that the Majerteenia invasion of Las Anod has had on the people of those areas. Mass starvation, mass poverty, disease, all of these are conditions that exist in eastern Sanaag and southern Sool today and they can be said to be spill overs from Somalia into Somaliland.
Somaliland can protect itself from spill over by extending the administration to eastern Sanaag and southern Sool.
Ultimately however the Republic of Somaliland should work to stabilize the country of Somalia, but only after it has recieved international recognition.
Somaliland
Guul iyo Gobanimo
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cabdinuur
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marka salaamu calekuma wa raxama tu allah wbrktu
haddii aan is dhaahdo ninkaa banaadiri u jawaab waa qasaare
waayo ?
waxaad moodaa inaaney arrimaha somaliya uba bilowneyn oo imika uu hurdo ka soo toosey ama qadiyada somaliya maanta kow u tahey lama yaabbani ****** ayey ii soo mareen qaar isaga oo kale ahi ama la aqoon ahi oo xumadda noocan ahi ku badan tahey waa dad aanad garaneyn wax doonayaan iyo waxey diidayaan
waa dadaan himilo laheyn soomaali ayuun maqaleen waxey tahey na ma garanayo {{ dhako ayaa saran}} aaney laheyn wuu maqaley uun soomaaliweyn
islaam wey maqleen uun wuxu yahey garan maayaan
waa ummad caqliga iyo garashada abaarri kaga dhacdey oon aaya aayaheed laheyn
anigu sida dadka qaar gaalo ku sheegi maayo afkeygana maaha laakiin aqoon xumo ayaa heysa dadkan reer koofuredka ah..
walaal
BANAADIRI
waxaan ku leeyahey <<mar i dagge alle ha dago --------- >> dhameystiro int kale >>
awalba ismeynaan aheyn isu meynaan baahneynismaneynaan aqoon 30sano ayaa dulmi aanu madaxa la galley anagoo markaa waxaan adiga kuu muuqan aanu arkeyney himiladayaduna aheyd mid caqligaaga adiga kuwa kula midka ah ee aad ka hida qabto ka dheer ilaaheyna daah ka saarey
walaalow waqooyi teg somaliyina kal socotey
haddaad islaamnimo wax ku dooneyso
hadaad walaaalnimo wax ku dooneyso
haddaad somalinimo wax ku dooneyso
...... ..qarranimo dooneyso
koofur dhexdeeda wax kaga dey dayo oo islaax kaga doon doon
waqooyina kaa tegye adigu tasho oo quwada iyo jihaadka aadleedahey waxbaan qooraha ku gu goynayaa koonfur ayaa kaaga baahan gurigaaga ayaa baahan hadaad talin laheyd iyo hadaad qab qablaheydba
dib isugu noqo maskax xalid ayaad u baahan tahey
haddii kale ninka raggi waa kii talada qaatee waan kula taliyee taladaa adkee
alxikmatu daalatul mumin-taana ha ilaawin
salaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
cabdinuur
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Qaldaan
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Benadiri
You are an idealist and an optimist.
Thier is nothing wrong with that but this is a tough world and tough decision.
I hate the xabashis as well but my fellow somalilanders do not remeber the war and destruction of the 60's and 70' they remeber the killings and discrimination by the
Somalistate.
Somaliland is the best gaurentee of our saftey.
If you accept us we can stand together as brothers,
if you dont , do not worry you cannot harm as as we can take care of ourselves.
And remember we are all in Dar-Al Xarb only a true Islamic state is Dar al Salam.
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Idba can't spell
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So we have a grammar freak named "been ma sheeke" among us. Thanks bro for teaching me few things, I bet whatever community college education you got is paying off for you. Well done.
Now back to the serious debate, I have an open letter to my fellow Somali brothers who visit this site. Please read.
Open Letter To All My Somali Brothers And Sisters:
Idba Abdi
The sad reality of our time is that our people are divided today more than ever before. There was a time in our country were we let the wise people make decisions on matter big and small, but today we have warlords and big time criminals running the show all over Somalia. In away, we must blame ourself for letting these bastards destroy our country. Each of us is responsible for our own actions of course, but if each of us did our part we wont have all these troubles over the years. May allah bring peace and prosperity ot our home. Aamiin.
To my fellow brothers of Somaliland, we have got to know each other a bit over the past month or so in these pages and I have to say, as I said before, that I have learned so much from each and single one of you. Only ignorant fools think they alone have the answers to all the problems. The true test of a debater is to know that he or she doesn't have the right answer to every question. Second most important thing when debating is to respect the other person and to remember that his or her views are just as good as yours. I wish some of you, and you know who are, showed a little more civility for your fellow people. And more than anything else I wish more of you would not try to use every issue an opportunity to talk trash about another Somali tribe/people. Not only does that not help further the debate, its wrong and uncalled for in my opinion.
I have come to the conclussion that my dream of one day seeing our people, Somali people, united where-ever they live is probably just that, a dream, that would never happen. I have come to this conclussion after educated myself about the real issues in the ground. I don't think the people of Somaliland will willing join, unite, with Somalia in the future. We have debated the reasons why this would not happen and there is not need to repeat those facts. But I think the biggest reason is lack of trust from our friends in the North. And how can you blame them after all they went for the past fourty years, one disaster after another, one broken promise after another, one heart break after another. Someday when historians write about the legacy of Siyad Bare, I hope they include a chapter of how he lost Somaliland. If it was not for his attacks on the Somali people North i bet my life we wouldn't be having this discussion today. Many Northerners, from what I understand, took those aweful attacks by Siyad Bare's regime as adding insult to injury. Whether to hold the actions of a mad man and a dictator against everyone else, well we have debated that too.
So best of luck my Somaliland brothers and sisters. From the bottom of my heart I wish you guys nothing but success. I hope you will find the strength to continue to build a great a nation, a nation that would make every Somali person where-ever they live proud. I hope you guys will let educated wise people to run your government and that you will not make the same mistakes Somalia is about to make, let warlords run the show.
With Kindest and Best Regards-
From a Somali brother
Abdi
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Reerwoqooyi
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I was just reading through the names of the members of parliment for somalia. I am shocked. It is very shameful that people want to see peace in somalia yet they have as their members the worst human rights violators our our country has ever seen.
I dont blame somaliland, after all with the names i see on the list, it will be impossible to make them join.
take care
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Mehdi
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Idba,
Idba when you came to this website you new nothing about the so cald Somaliland state and you still haven't learned much about this so cald racist state. The fact is that most people who come to this site first of all do not know nothing about Somalia's history and learn nothing from Somalia history from there parents, but some tribalstic bullshit(most is bullshitt) so I do not think that you have really learn't something from this webite you came with no knowledge of somaliland and you left with no knowledge of somaliland because there is nothing to learn here but tribalstic bullshit some hawkish bullshit from people like Qaldaan and people like Dalmar who try to act British(you will never be) that compare Somaliland with the west. The fact is that the so cald mujahadeen SNM was the first to ethnically cleans a city from all non isaac people in the city of burqu this is a fact the came as mad man in to burqa andshot al non burq ressidents to dead after that the government flattend burqa because of the cruelty of the SNM the fact is that there is no bad or good party in Somalia. The so cald landers think and act arrogantly and claim that north Somalia is of them whill it's not.
When you talk to them about nationalism to them "they say nationalism is equal to tribalism". They have a dream a fuckt up dream that one tribe can rull over a nother tribe Somalia has experimented with this and look how somalia is now(dalmar do not come with the democratic bullshitt and the so cald hargeisa referendum) and now they want me a norther to take part with this experiment, with a fuckt up experiment cald Tribalism, cald isaacism "cald my way or the highway" should I go along with this experiment? ?It failed in Somalia why will it succeed in Somaliand, o I know what you landers will say dear anti lander as you know we are not depend on you we have the capital in are hands and the port so do as you like go and resist the fact is we do not need you. If you think like that, you would think at firts you are right but think again excluding one tribe means you follow tribalism and after that you will proberly exclude one of you your own subtribe and so one until the power slips of the so cald government and thats it a new cival war the army barics in hargeisa will then be full with weapons and so one and then you have a repaed of a cival war if my predictions would be right.
So that why I Say no to Somaliland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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idba says
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Mahdi-
I made my point clear on my last post and for now I am sticking to what I wrote. You are entitled to your own views as well buddy. I wish though you would do me a single favor, try not to talk trash about entire group/tribe of fellow somali people. Not only is that not helpful, it makes you look foolish, ignorant, and its idiotic. I am saying that with atmost respect to your personal views. You need to use commonsense when debating with other people who have different points of views than you.
About SNM, I can't honestly agree or disagree with you about any kind of ethnic cleansing they have committed because I don't know anything about the creation of that organization. If you have facts, numbers, and sources than feel free to post.
What ever the case be, the simple truth is that major crimes have been commited by Somalis against other somalis all over our land. And yes, I have numbers, dates and and sources to back this up. Where are yours? So simply blaming SNM for mistakes they have made, or may not have made, while ignoring all the other hardships caused by everyone else is not fair at all.
Again, please don't use this topic to talk trash about your fellow Somalians.
Have a great day/night.
Abdi
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Dalmar1
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Good day Somalis
Mehdi
As usual, you have made a number of accusations, and you always resort to what you know the best; name-calling but as Abdi said if you have any evidence then go ahead and post it.
If you wish, you can go ahead and bang your head against the wall, but Somaliland people chose freedom, security, and nothing you say or do can harm that nation. By now, it should be clear to you that our beloved nation is immune to challenges and the independence of Somaliland is not negotiable.
It is needless to say Somaliland belongs to all Somalis that live in that region. However, I do acknowledge that parts of Sool and eastern Sanaag regions are against the independence of Somaliland. I respect the views and I understand their concerns. Moreover, they are entitled to rule their regions and neither will they be marginalize nor treated differently or perceived as the enemies of Somaliland.
Mehdi, either join the civilized people of Somaliland or just stay in exiled and be consumed hatred and nonsense.
ABDI
“Someday when historians write about the legacy of Siyad Bare, I hope they include a chapter of how he lost Somaliland. If it was not for his attacks on the Somali people North i bet my life we wouldn't be having this discussion today.“
I could not have said it better. North Somalis (Somali Landers) never wanted anything more than freedom and justice in their region. Instead, they have lost everything including their dignity.
The brutal attack of Siad Barre’s regime is the main reason why Somali Landers would die rather than join Somalia again. Cowards like Morgan-the butcher of Hargeysa, Gaani -The man who terrified the residents of Hargesya prior to the civil war and Tuke -the infamous colonel that used cut off the tongues from his victims are becoming members of the parliament in the new Somali government. Now, you can understand why Somaliland would not even engage a dialogue or have relationship with the new regime, let alone coming back to unite with Somalia.
As I said before, southern Somalis should know that Somaliland will always be there and the people will always be Somalis. The only thing that is going to change is; we are going to have two different systems. In other words, the policies one side of the border would be different from the once on the other side.
The three nations Somalia, Somaliland, and Djibouti should have strong economic and military cooperation. This would deter Ethiopia and Kenya to oppress or intimidate the Somalis that live under their occupation. In addition, it is more important to help Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya in their own regions rather than allowing them to move back to Somalia or helping them to wage war for independence.
We have to find a way of empowering Somalis in those regions. Through massive education and pumping billions of dollars into their region would make the Somalis the dominants in political and economic systems of Ethiopia and Kenya. This would be effective strategy because Somalis will be able to continue their natural way of spreading through out East Africa. Therefore, adopting the above strategy would ensure that Somalis would over take the entire Kenya and Ethiopia within couple of hundred years. It is a long-term plan but employing a wise policy and having vision, anything is achievable.
P.s while we are planning strategies for the expansion of the Somalis race through out East Africa, at the same time we have to drag along people like Mehdi who are locked up in a tribal egg shell.
Dalmar
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xiis
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Waryeey Idba I was wrong about u mate. Please except my apologies. Colkayagan reer dumbuluq budkaanu dadka kula boodnaa ee xumaan kale ha u qaadinin   You are reasonable bloke. If all wanleweynis thought like u and not like donkeys like Mehdi and Hassen we might have come to an understanding long ago. But alas tis not so simple eh
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Qaldaan
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Idba bro,
glad you are bieng logical and not emotional.
I had an emotional attachment to somali unity as well
since i was born in xamar and spent time there i did not want the mother land didvided.
But i was confronted by cold hard reality.
I might seem like a hard ass deluded violent extremist but iam usally the oposite.
I am only an extremist when there is a suppoosed threat to somaliland.
Do not worry we will always be somalis, infact somalis will allways vote with their feet.
If there is a safe democratic prosperous society in Somalia then somalilanders will gravitate south, if Somaliland succeeds like it looks then all somalis will gravitate towards it as well.
Through separation will unity come.
Sounds stupid doesnt it and illogical.
But a free peacefull somaliland will have astrong interest in having close relations with a free peacefull Somalia.
Someday the bad blood will be just a memory
and there will be a Union of Democratic Islamic Somali States.
Sounds idealistic but all we can say is Insha allah
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jockker
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idba, you have no fukking clue what you talking about. these ****** landers must have brainwahsed you. i know people like you idiot. you try to be nice to everyone and Sh** and show polite to hateful isaacs too. as mehdi said somaliland is a racist state and i cannot believe such a smart guy like you cannot see that.
your so called open letter was nothing more than an insult to somali people in general. what an a****** you are. you dont think somali people can unite and work their difference. listen *****, just because a racist state wants not join us again will not gonna stop us from forcing them to join back with us again. just like mehdi i say no to somaliland.
you must be joking idba or on some Sh**.
see you on the other side
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idba staying this side
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Jocker, I don't have anything new to say to you other than what I and many others in this forum has said before other than to tell you again that people like you represent the worst among us. Since you don't know how to debate in a civilized manner all you do is use profanity to either feel good about yourself, or simply to act as if you know what you talking about. Or may be this is just who are, a sad pathelic lunatic whose views of the world is hijacked by hate and clanism.
Again if you want to debate about somalia, somaliland or anything else you can join the debate in a civlized manner. If this is the kind of debating you want, sorry buddy, you wont see me on the other side. I am more than ok staying in this of the isle.
Have a good day and make sure to take those meds.
Abdi
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