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Topic: Is Somaliland Destine to FAIL? (Read 31184 times)
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Dalmar1
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WAXAAN IDIIN SOO DIRAYAA DHAMAANTIIBA SALAAN FARAXALATAY OO XAN BAARSAN JEEX BASAL AH IYO LABO XABO OO TAMAANDHO XABUUB AH
Jokker “……….will not gonna stop us from forcing them to join back with us again. “
It has been said before “HABAR KAC…. WA… MADU LA FUDUDAA”
Are you kidding me mom’s boy? Even your grandfather Siad Barre with the second largest and strongest army in Africa could not defeat the will of our people. Do you think little punks like you hiding in the heart of Europe and receiving his monthly welfare check can cause any harm to Somaliland?
ABDI
You probably know this, but let me reiterate; Most of the time when some Somalis can’t get their point across, they resort to name calling and intimidation. In other words, if you disagree with them or your change views then a barrage of name calling and condemnations is inevitable. Moreover, kindness and understanding can be mistaken for weakness. Stay on your ground buddy.
Dalmar
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Erigavo
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Cajaaib baddanaa.
I am responding to this man, the self-made representive of Iskuxaarland.
The main inhabitants of Sanaag region is Warsangeli with also members of Isaaq and dhulbahante present" that is according to encyclopedia. You seemed to be ignorant and obdurate about what is going in North Somalia. You have no knowledge about the history of the people of Sanaag, their well-being, their dominance and most notably their wealthy and credit to the society.
According to the reports and articles i have, the most affected regions of the Sool plateu draught are the tiny West Sanaag, Togdheer and Sool. Eastern Sanag is thriving in its inherited skills of trade, which they have been doing for more than 500 years. I dare you to bring a single note that supports your feeble-concocted story.
""“”the situation of Somaliland got from bad to worse. Today, there is no running water in most parts of Somaliland capital- Hargeisa.
It is not uncommon to see entire families staying up all night in their dwellings only to get a trickle of water, if lucky, in the small hours of the morning. Now, the majority of people buy portable water from the open market at exorbitant prices. Poor mothers with little orphan children beg water to cook meals for their children. People who brought over their own water rigs and drilled wells like the masjidul tabliiqiyiin were warned not to provide a drop of water to their neighbours or else they would be imprisoned. Rayale’s government no longer sees water as a basic necessity and an undeniable human right, which must be made available to all people; it sees as a luxury that only the privileged- the ruling class- can access to. Members of this class do not only have running water in their households but also they can refuse to pay their water bills just like the Finance Minister, Hussein Ali Duale, did recently.
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http://www.somaliland.org/opinions.asp?ID=04091000””
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Erigavo
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NAIROBI, 17 Feb 2004 (IRIN) - Extensive drought in the northern Togdheer Region of the self-declared republic of Somaliland, where about 350,000 people live, has forced schools to close, water wells to dry up and the livestock population to decline significantly, the Famine Early Warning Systems Network (FEWS NET) said on Monday.
"There is currently a severe drought in Togdheer Region, particularly [in the] south and northwest due to successive rainfall failures," FEWS NET said in a report following an assessment mission to the region conducted in late December. "The Somaliland authorities conducted [an earlier] assessment... and called for international assistance," it said.
The prevailing harsh conditions in the region, it said, had, by December forced about 40 percent of children, most of them girls, to drop out of school. Of 54 urban and rural schools, seven were not operating due to migration of the local population to other areas, while another eight closed in December. "In some villages, even the teachers had moved with their families," it said.
On water availability, the report said that of 1,638 water sources found in nine villages, about 60 percent were either disused or damaged, and only 16 percent of the rest had water levels ranging from 25 percent to 75 percent of their capacity.
"The water infrastructure is in poor condition. Functioning [water sources in] the visited villages had poor sanitary conditions. Animal and human faeces, dead animal carcasses were observed scattered around the water points and villages, which would inevitably contaminate water sources," FEWS NET said.
It said livestock ownership in the predominantly pastoral region, had dropped to 40-50 percent for sheep and goats and 15-20 percent for camels. Nil production and consumption of milk or ghee, was observed, and dying stock was a significant source of food.
"Livestock production is the main economic activity providing food income and employment. A combination of inadequate pastures, diseases, high consumption and disposal has reduced livestock ownership [and] reduced the poor households' food source and income," FEWS NET said. "Livestock deaths are expected to increase during the coming dry season (January to April) due to water and pasture depletion."
According to FEWS NET, the general food security situation in the region was precarious. "A deterioration of the already precarious food insecurity for a significant proportion of the community and a surge in the population of the destitute and the displaced (IDPs) is anticipated," it said.
"The poor wealth group, now constituting 40-50 percent of Togdheer pastoral food economy, is likely to increase to about 60-70 percent as more middle group families join them after losing their livestock. Some of the poor households will further become destitute and/or IDPs," it said.
On health, the report said access to services was very limited and availability of medicines for common ailments was "either nonexistent or woefully inadequate". The situation was worsened by poor sanitation.
FEWS NET made numerous recommendations, including targeted emergency free food distribution from January to May, and provision of medical and vaccination supplies. It also called for a health and hygiene promotion campaign in the region, the establishment of mobile veterinary teams and drugs, relief fodder for the animals and restocking of livestock in the region.
Other recommendations included trucking water for human consumption and wide-ranging support to the educational systems, including school feeding and provision of alternative schooling models for the children.
The rapid assessment, which sought to study the impact of the current drought on water, pasture, livestock, migration and displacement, food security, health and nutrition, was conducted by several UN agencies and international and local NGOs.
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Enjoy these pictures of thriving Puntland. Galgalo an Eastern Sanaag district includes its pictures. Yet did i post the beautiful sceneries of Calmadow.
http://www.radiodaljir.com/audio/2004/plpictures/index.html
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aware mire
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shame on u IDBA,
u don't seem that u know much abt what u debatin abt. what i would like to tell u is to learn abt ur country and ur ppl. IDBA said being somalilander is like being nationalism bro let me correct u. somaliland mainly inhabited by isaaq clan,formerly called northwest which colonized by biritish.there are five regions in north and there are main four tirbes in the north which are isaaq dhulbahante gudabirse and warsangali.sanaag and sool regions are mainly inhabited by warsangali & dhulbahante who are opposed to idea of breaking away from the rest of somalia.
and abt SNM. was isaaq movement and the rest of the tribes didn't percibate in the rebel movement.
even last week senior army official was ambushed in burco but escaped so u see there is no specail thing abt somaliland(isaaqland).
qabiil qaran manoqdo.
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xiis
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Aware Mire's father was an ogaden/cagdheer war criminal soldier in Hargeisa during the Afweyne barre regime. So he is the direct descendant of filth. I don't expect much from darood faggoots like him.
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idba had a long week
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Hello friends, I had of the longest weeks in my life with school and family problems. Things are looking better now.
To aware and Jocker, I have no problem debating with you guys anytime about any subject. I may not know much about every issue but you can bet on this, when I dont know about something I will say so. I am not ashamed of the conclussion I have come to and views I hold dear. I am ashamed though of my fellow somali brothers like you whose sole tactic of debating is to put down people by either using profanity or turning the topic into tribal bashing. For as long as you do that I wont bother to take anything else you say serious.
Have a great day/night.
Abdi
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Gobanimo
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truth never sinks
Somaliland consists of five regions of which three are populated by non-Isaq clans. For instance, Sool is purely a Dhulbahanta territory. The Dhulbahanta also occupy the district of Buhodle in the neighboring Togdher and southern plains of Sanag. Sanag itself is mainly a Warsengeli territory except the northern highlands were the Isaq sub-clans of Habar Yonis and Habar Jelo inhabit. Both Dulbahanta and Warsengeli belong to the Harti branch of the Darod clan family. Moreover, Sool and Sanag currently fall under the regional administration of Punland in the Northeast.
In the Awdal, the most western region, is occupied by the Gadabursi and Issa both belonging to the Dir clan family. In fact, there are forces in the Awdal who are campaigning for the break away of Awdal if Somaliland is recognized as a clan state. The name “Awdal Republic” is already in the circulation. The Isaq concentration is limited to Northwest and Togdher regions. In other words, more than two third of the land area of Somaliland is inhabited by non-Isaq clans.
The question is, where to draw the line of secession? Is it the former British Protectorate of Somaliland as the Isaq claim? Since their intention is to secede the whole territories under the British Protectorate, what about the rights of non-Isaq clans whose territories fall in this region? Was it their choice to be part of this Protectorate or the powerful Great Britain seized their lands forcefully and united them under its flag? Do these people have the right to say NO to the Isaq illusion of declaring the region as one of their own?
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Gobanimo
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Continue...
Ethnically, Isaq belongs to the Dir clan family. Of the four main Dir branches, Isaq belongs to Mohamed Maha Dir. Other Maha Dir sub-clans include Biyomal, Bajimal and Quranyob. The other Dir clan families in the north are the Gadabursi and Issa, who belong to Madaxweyne and Madobe Dir, respectively. The Isaq is divided into three main sub-clans namely: Garhajis (Habar Yonis, Ida Gale and Arap), Habar Awal and Habar Jelo. Garhajis who are the largest and most powerful sub-clan are against secession. Many Habar Jelo intellectuals I spoke with told me that majority of their peoples are not secessionists.
Hence, the Isaq claim that they aren’t ethnic Somalis or have been discriminated against by the south are pity fabrications and unfound hysteria engineered to incite hatred between the peoples of the south and north. In fact, it is in the records that the Hawiye and southern Dir sub-clans had greatly contributed to the formation and financing of the SNM in its very early stages. In his “The Cost of Dictatorship” book, Jama Ghalib (an Isaq) witnesses the contributions paid by the Southern Dir clans and Hawiye to the SNM in early 1980s. If there were no blood ties, then why wouldn’t they pay the same contributions to the SSDF, which was Majerteen opposition faction?
The barbaric actions of the late dictator Siyad Barre against the Isaq people are regrettable and his living generals should hold liable to the heinous crimes committed against the civilian populations. However, Siyad Barre’s barbaric actions were not limited to the Isaq towns alone. He burned villages, destroyed water wells and massacred civilians in the Mudug, Lower Jubba, Hiran and Mogadishu. Moreover, what happened in Hargeisa and Burao may also be blamed on the SNM commanders, whose military blunders and miscalculations had caused the destruction of whole towns and massacre of innocent civilians. The SNM’s ferocious kamakazi style attack on Hargeisa and Burao gave the tyrant every excuse to hit back and hit hard. Should the SNM take a different military strategy, what happened to Hargeisa and Burao would have been averted. Therefore, the SNM commanders are equally liable and should be questions of what their intentions were. Were their intentions to overthrow Siyad Barre or give a ruthless tyrant a pretext to destroy their towns and people?
On the other hand, the reality of the so-called Somaliland administration is that it barely functions in Hargeisa and Berbera, the home turf of Mr. Egal’s Habal Awal sub-clan. In fact, Sool and Sanag are part of Northeast regional administration of Puntland. The administration is not popular in Awdal and Togdher either.
The currency, which Egal and his Habar Awal sub-clan introduced and used to rob the properties of the people, is not accepted outside Hargeisa and Berbera. The Somali Schilling is still used in Togdher, Sool, Sanag and Awdal. Moreover, the Habar Awal merchants who financed Egal’s administration practically control all trade and main port of Berbera. Non-Habar Awal merchants have difficulty exporting or importing anything at this major regional port. Many merchants from Togdher, Sool and Sanag are alternatively using the port of Bosaso, which offers them courteous services and far less duties. The Awdal merchants use the port of Djibouti.
The secessionists in Hargeisa have been very busy of buying or bribing the elders of the Isaq and non-Isaq sub-clan in the region to legitimize their claim. So far, they have been very unsuccessful. As mentioned before, Sool and Sanag joined the regional administration of Puntland. Awdal is planning to stand alone if Somaliland is granted recognition, which will trigger a bloody civil war. The secessionists have been also busy of destabilizing Mogadishu and the south believing that the longer Mogadishu stays in chaos and anarchy the better chance they have to get international recognition. Actually, Mr. Egal had been paying millions of dollars to sum warlords in Mogadishu to continue the chaos and tarnish the image of the country’s capital as one dangerous one.
The international community is warned of the dangers of accepting clan-based statehoods in this volatile region or continent. If these clan-based secessionists are granted statehood, it will set an unprecedented step towards the integration of the countries in the Horn and many others in Africa, Asia and even Europe. Multiethnic countries such as Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya, South Africa and Nigeria may be immediately affected. It may lead to the declaration of independence by sub-clans and village states may be reintroduced, taking the world back into Aristotle’s time.
The consequences of springing clan states in today’s dangerous world also carry the danger of these poor clan states becoming safe havens to drug barons, international smugglers or even terrorists. A situation like this will be unable to be monitored or controlled as hundreds of clan based village states sell whatever they can cheaply in order to survive. Therefore, the international community has obligations to safeguard the interests of all the peoples and should not allow the birth of clan-state in Somalia or anywhere else in the world in order to prevent and unprecedented chaos and lost of world law and order. .
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nuuraani
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dhamaaantiinsalaan sal iyo baara
kadib
habar dhali weydey aleelo ku waalatey
anigu maan odhan{oran} horaa loo{yiri}
hadab dadkiinan ku indha dilaacsadey qurbaha waxaan leeyahey [[ ilma war mooge } waa magac idinku haboon sheekadiinu ama aaraadiinu badanaa waxey ku saleysantahey wax dadkale idinku yidhi ama sheeko leydinku qufuley oo aad moodoo in sida haamaha leydiinku dhaamiyey [[ ma jalaxad baa }{ashuun}
meel ay ka jeedo iyo meeley ku jeeddo la garan maayo
hadalku ma wuxuu idinka yahey dheh uun ujeeddo kale miyaaney jirin
{{{ilma warmoogow}}} bal walaalayaal waxaad isku dey deydaan inaa ka hadashaan wax laga faaiideysan karo
oo dhaxalgal ah
midna aan idiin sheeko
oo ah
heysku daalinina sheekadda geeeska afrika mid wal ba maahee tan siyaasadda iyo waxey noqondoonto waayo??____________??
aqoon ayaa idiinku dhiman sidey tahey iyo sidey ahaan jirtey sidey noqon doonto waxa looga dan leeyahey idinkuna waxba kama bedeli kartaan midna {{{ gudhugadhaa} ayaa heysaan
wixii aad ilaa maalintii ugu horeysey qoreenta arrinta geeska afrika bilaale u caaneyn maayo taa aya akaaga markhaatiya inaa tihiin ilma warmooge
ILMA WARMOOGOW
SXBAYAAL DAN KA HADLA
HADAAD DHIMATO GEERIDU MARBEY NOLOSHA DHAANTAAYE
DHAQASHIYO MARBEY KAA YIHIIN DHEREGI XAARAANE
DHADHAN MA LAHA WIXII AADMIGU KUGU DHALIILAAYE
DHASHAADEY SUGTAA CEEB TAAD DHOWRSATAA ABIDE
NIN DHIRBAAXO QUUDHEED DUGSADEY DHAQAYADEED MAALYE
SALANA CARRABEY
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Idba says stop the bs
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hello friends, I hope you all having a good week so far.
where should I start, Gobanimo, you made so many false claims with no real evidence to support your arguments that its almost laughable you took the time to write such a long, and non-sense bs in this forum. First and foremost, you said the leader of Somaliland gave "Millions of Dollars" to warlords in Mogadishu to make sure the south stays in choas. Well my friend, Mr. Egal does not have that kinda of money and if he did, believe me, he has more things to worry about to spent with it. Any reasonable person can see that you made that up that falsehood because you either hate the people who reside in Somaliland or because you simply got your facts wrong. Sorry to say this but your argument is baseless and redicolous. I am too tired and too sick, with cold, at this moment to go through all the falsehoods you made but I will try to answer more of your rants some other time. Until then, find some facts and real evidence to support your argument, or simply stop trashing Somaliland and lets talk about how Somalia is about to be run by the same warlords that destroyed our country for the past 14 years.
And oh by the way, I am not a Somalilander but a Somali brother who simply wants to see our people succeed no matter whether they live in Somalia, Somaliland or where ever.
Have a great day.
Abdi
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xiis
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abdi salaan sare saxiib  waar nimankiinan reer wanle weyn maad sida cabdi yeeshaan oo runta u soo noqotaan? mise waxad tihiin ma gudbayaal 
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Qaldaan is back!
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So
Mr Gobonimo Isaaq is now dir .
Who made you decide who is and who isnt.
Do you think that its a disadvantage to be dir.
Dir is one of the nobelest clans in somalia and their history is superb.
Look at ahmed gurey al ghazi.
Isaaq has been linked with dir because in the early days when isaaq was a tiny clan living mainly among the Magadle dir.
Remeber shiekh isaaq married to dir women Magadle and habusheed.
The clan of isaaq grew up among the dir and dir were their patrons.
But the dir suffered greatly in the great wars against the xabasha and were decimated.
clans like Nabidoor, *****, Nacidoor were wiped out
the xabasha destroyed Amoud which was as large as moqadisho and was one of the largest somali cities.
The Isaaq clans did not suffer as much because they lived further away in the east. They expanded west in the 1500 .
If isaaq was dir why would the gadabursi clan fight it, why would the issa fight it.
think before you write
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